I AGREE THAT INSULATION SYSTEM HAVE TO BE IN PLACE IN OUR HOUSE RESPECTIVELY,BECAUSE TOO NOISY.NOW SO MANY PLANES ARE FLYING OVER ABOVE MY ROOF EVEN AT MIDNIGHT TIME.
SO BESIDES INSULATION I SUGGEST TO HAVE CURFEW FOR PLANE BETWEEN 11.30PM UNTIL 5.30AM.
FOR LONG TERM I SUGGEST TO MOVE THE AIRPORT TO FREMANTLE AREA(WITH RECLAIMATION PROJECT) ,SO ALL ENTRANCE GATES TO PERTH THRU FREMANTLE.

a curfew is required from midnight to 6.00 a.m as well as insulation. Most people have their windows and doars open at night in the summer to let in the cool evening air to cool the house down. What good would insulation be then.

Everyday and night, quite many planes are passing over the area of Lynwood that I am living in. It did not used to be like that most time of the last year. Right now I am heavily effected by the plane noise at night when I am at home and trying to sleep. In fact, I often got waken up during my night sleep. Wonder if anybody else has the same issue?

I live in the Waterford area and the aircraft noise has increased in the last year, particularly late evening and early morning.We need a curfew between 12 pm and 6am at the very least as they have in most European cities.

I live in Manning, and I just moved in to Manning from Bentley since last june. In Bentley, the noise of the planes were so disturbing. I tought this kind of noises would not occur in Manning. But it turns out the other way around, it is really disturbing at night to hear those plane noises. I dont care if it is afternoon, because i know its the working hour, but at night is not toleratable.

I'm not willing to spend any money to build any noise insulation program, i think it is the airline and governent responsibility to handle this kind of problem. Everybody pays high taxes to the government every year and i think the government needs to spend those money on this noise insulation scheme

To add to my previous email on 19 Oct 09, my house is at LANGFORD and I don't want to spend money to install insulation system because I have no budget for it.My wife and I are senior and retired resident.

I live in Rivervale and have noticed an increase in flights over my house during the day. On some days the noise starts at 3am and continues all day with planes passing directly over my house every 5 minutes. I do not think insulation is the answer as I like fresh air and prefer to leave my windows open. My family is unable to sleep at night and our days are a nightmare. Flight paths should be altered so that the brunt of aircraft noise does not affect a few unlucky suburbs. The Western suburbs should bear some of the noise as I guarantee the people who fly the most come from these suburbs!

Yes, it is the time to fight againstthe noise disturbance. The flying over Redcliffe Street, East Cannington makes me awake every day from 23.00pm to 6.00am. This has negative effects on my daily work.

We are not only deserve an airport noise insulation scheme, but also want a curfew between 23.00 pm and 6.00am as a similar program in most European and US cities.
I would also suggest that we also have this campaign to some possible affected suburbs in the Hasluck and Perth Electorates.

BTW, please see the following link for the latest noise level between April and June 2009

http://www.airservicesaustralia.com.au/projectsservices/reports/nfpms/2009/PH09Q2.pdf

The Airport should take actions to lower down the noise level as well.

I live in Lathlain and the change to approach routes has increased the noise levels at my place. So what, if you choose to live in close proximity to any airport it is expected that there is going to be aircraft noise.
If residents are unhappy about this they should have chosen an area to live that is not close to an airport and it’s present or future flight paths, the airport was there long before most families took up residence in the effected areas. So stop bleating, and expecting government hand outs, also trying to place inappropriate restrictions on the airport, you new what was coming, it's called progress and there is still more to come so live with it, or move.

Please refer to the Noise Control Program in LA, US:
http://www.lawa.org/uploadedFiles/VNY/pdf/Noise_Programs.pdf AND
http://www.lawa.org/welcome_VNY.aspx?id=1728&terms=Curfew

If the LA Airport can do these, why not the Perth Airport.

Also, a school-soundproofing program in the aircraft noise area should be also required if any school has been affected.

As a resident of Queens Park for 15 years, the increase in traffic has over the past few years and corresponding noise has greatly impacted on our lives,not only inside the house but more so outside, trying to enjoy a bbq , swim or gardening. We also note that the newer aircraft are much quieter and have a lesser impact, obviously fitted with stage 4 exhaust systems, perhaps a curfew on all aircraft not fitted with the latest technology, to which i am lead to believe can be retrofitted to older jets,could be a simple compromise.

in response to C. Thompson/ "a few unlucky suburbs",,,, i can remember a time when the flight paths were alter as the seasons and winds changed, but that was when the cross runway was in use, didn't a mayor of a particular suburb have that practice stopped citing safety reasons and stopping air traffic over Morley districts

I live in Lathlain. We built our new home in 2007 when there was no aircraft flying over. Now after this major investment we have planes flying over when there are easterlies. Our home is already insulated. I suggest that the AA and the government be accountable for the loss in value of my property and for any future buyers by paying for our Shire Rates every year and other associated local government costs for living in the area affected by this new flight path.

This issue was forced upon us with little to no substantial consultation and has nothing to do with living close to the city! You fly, you pay.

I live in Como and have noticed a dramatic change in the proximity and frequency of flights since the WARRP changes were implemented. For Air Services Australia to argue that the changes were minimal is laughable. Before buying my house 10 years ago, I checked the flight corridors and there was only one corridor running east/west several miles to the south. The WARRP changes widened this corridor to the north so that it is now much closer to my house. The number of planes that use this corridor has dramatically increased. At certain times on certain days I can count over 20 planes in 1 hour (we get Jandakot flights as well). Whenever there is an Easterly blowing, the planes fly directly over my house at very low altitudes as they approach the airport for landing - the noise is deafening and continual, with up to 4 planes flying over in a 10 minute period. And no, I didn't buy a house close the airport, and yes I did check flight paths before buying, and no I didn't pay less for the house when I bought it, and yes, I will now lose money on my house, lose sleep and lose my sanity due to these changes.

Many times I have been woken by noisy aircraft. I have submitted complaints with responses like:

"The Aircraft of concern was a Russian Aircraft “Antonov” departing off runway 21 to the Maldives. This aircraft is a cargo aircraft and does not come into Australia very often. "

Fair enough, we all love our cargo from the Maldives - but not in the early hours of the morning! I don't mind the occassional airplane while watching the Simpsons, please help out with a curfew between 12-6am so I can get a healthy nights sleep.

As I write this 9 aircraft have flown over....

I am not part of your electorate - I live in the little bit of Shelley on the Riverton side of Leach Highway and it seems that I get noise from aircraft taking off and landing. At the beginning of the year I would wake at the same time every night not realising that I had been woken by aircraft flying overhead. I don't mind the noise during the day, when I am awake, but I could do with a little more sleep. Being woken at 12:30 am and then again at 4 or 5am is starting to get to me. Even with the windows and doors closed some of the aircraft sound like they are a metre or so above the roof. I am trying to save up for double glazing and extra roof insulation but it will take a while and in the mean time - no sleep.

I have recently moved to Belmont, almost directly under the majority of flight paths knowing in advance the noice level of aircraft that would be associated with the relocation.
I concur with A. Norris, stop expecting the Government to continue in giving free handouts and learn to live with the inconvienience, after all, most flights occur within a short time frame, and the rest of the day there is more noice factor from passing traffic.
The more you complain, the more frustrated you become, and the more you force yourself to consider the noice factor a disruption.

Hi Steve,

I was disappointed to read 70% of respondence to your survey were prepared to pay part of insulation costs to reduce aircraft noise. Please tell the 70% of responds the actual cost involved (then the percentage rate may not be so high, you are not talking hundreds of dollars, it is thousands of dollars). Acoustic insulation is very expensive approx $50 per square metre, compared to its cheaper cousin thermal insulation which already is compulsory and carries and government rebate.

Would Homeswest be prepared to contribute? As they are not very willing to put security mesh on their homes!

It is my understanding in the other states 100% of this insulation is paid for by the airport or federal government. Why should Western Australia be any different?

Does your definition of insulation also refer to window double glazing? This cost for my home is approximately $8,500.

This is an issue that needs to be resolved before the next Federal Election.

Would like your comments on the above.

Regards Marg. Major

We need a curfew - 10.30pm to 6.30am. aircraft activity every morning at 5.30am, waking children is very unhealthy.

I completely agree with Marg .....

We need a curfew - 10.30pm t0 6.30am.

The politicians don't want to know. Perth is bad but Jandakot is worse. Planes fly around doing training on Chinese and Singaporian wannabe cowboys at all hours of the night. It's really quite debilitating not being able to sleep.

Jandakot sucks. I wonder if the pilots know what kind of distress they are causing and if they would even care if they knew.

We must fight for curfews NOW

I agree. A night curfew is important over residential areas. I have a disabled child who has sleep issues. Lack of sleep triggers seizures. When something wakes him in the night he cant get back to sleep so has often been awake from 12 till 5 and the next day is very difficult for us.

We now use drugs to get him back to sleep in this situation. But we hate doing that.

Broken sleep is an issue for everyone. But for people in our community with medical problems and those under extreme stress iit can be critical.

I heard that if Perth Airport was to bring in a curfew that it would damage the economy of WA. My opinion is that Sydney has a lot more air traffic due to tourism etc, then why can't we afford to have a curfew between 11:00pm - 6:00pm?? Plus, what's more important, the sanity of residents, or the interests of big business/government? These people couldn't care one iota about effected residents of surrounding suburbs.

I have lived in Beckenham for 14 years and air traffic has always been an issue, but no where near the extent it has been in the last year or two. The planes taking off have always been reasonably close but for those previous years I have tolerated the noise which was more in the distance. Fast forward 12 years later, I now have a continual stream of airplanes flying directly overhead and in the early hours of the morning. If I knew this was going to be the case 14 years ago, I would have thought twice about being here. It's just not on!!!

It is an outrage that these planes can fly out one after the other between 12:00am and 2:00am in the morning directly over my house, then ramp up again around 5:00am onwards. I sometimes lay there in the early hours of the morning and find that not one minute goes by without the sound of their loud jet engines roaring. Tearing my hair out has been one option to dealing with this frustration.

I think big business and government should have more respect for people in the surrounding areas of the airport and implement a curfew for the sake of having some peace in the dead of the night.

If enough public pressure is applied, these pollies and big business will have to succumb to our needs and respect the fact we have rights in this world. Otherwise they'll continually meet the needs of the special interests, rather than the needs and interests of the people.

I think it’s time for all affected residents to stand up and demand this curfew and not just be brushed aside with the promise of insulation. A curfew is the only reasonable step in keeping the peace and I for one will make my voice be heard.

The increase in aircraft flights will only increase due to the mining boom and increased population but as the number of flights increase the greater the chance of at least a curfew and/or insulation being implemented. The increase in flights will ultimately be the catalyst that will bring about the change that eveyone is talking about.

I am in Queens Park. I notice not too many comments from the Canning area. We moved here 3 years ago knowing the flight path was overhead,the noise in 3 years has increased 10 fold. We now have to stop mid conversation, turn TV up and put our callers on hold untill the planes pass.
The value of our propeties has not increased as much as they should have due to the air craft noise.
Please double glass all homes in the area. We have added insutation and shutters at avery high cost.

I just moved To Rivervale drive. Some training flights i guess , the noise is tearing my ears apart. I'm not sure whther this is always here. But be careful before moving in here.

I live in South Guildford and I expect plane noise but when planes are coming in and landing all hours of the night right above our house and then again from 5am then that is not only unacceptable but its a joke !! Bring on a curfew, rebates for double glazing and insulation and make plans to move the airport !!

I have been living in my home near the Belmont Forum for 20 years now, as an estimate the noise levels from aircraft has increased 3 fold in that time. There was a time when the noise at night didn't bother anyone because it seemed there as some de-facto curfew in place between midnight and 6am-that of course has long gone-I now hear aircraft movements until just after 1am and as early as 5am-of course this depends on daylight saving time in the eastern states as well as business people like to get to the ES for an early start, then there are the larger aircraft such as 747's that depart heavy late at night for the ES full of passengers and loaded to the gills with freight-being heavy they require a near full power take-off setting and therefore use more Runway to get airborne and linger longer and lower over the departing take-off Flight path in gaining alttude-these aircraft should be banned after 11pm. Then there are International arrivals from countries West of Perth that seem to dictate to Perth Airport Management what time they can come it that suits their timetable-doesn't matter if most of Perth is asleep at that time.
Additional measures that should be considered during evening hours are a ban on aircraft using excessive reverse thrust to slow their aircraft on landing simply to enable them to turn off the runway a few hundred metres earlier in order to save taxi-ing fuel. Don't forget Perth Airport is controlled by a Publicly Listed Company and it will resist all measures to roll back any of its very profitable income gained from Aircraft movements and other ancilliary services it provides.

DO YOU CARE? CURFEW IS THE ONLY ANSWER!

Imposing a curfew on Perth airport would be the dumbest thing any government could do (apart from, maybe, a crazy tax to destroy the mining industry). The airport is a solid (and growing) source of employment and business opportunities that benefit the whole community, and we all take flights at odd hours of the night because it suits us nicely. Remember, one of the reasons that flights "cluster" around midnight to 1am in Perth is because of the crazy curfew at Sydney airport. Also remember that aircraft get quieter each year as new models are introduced into service. Also remember that lots of people choose to live closer to Perth airport so they can quickly catch their early-morning flights to the mining operations that bring in the revenue that keeps WA afloat.

The public areas at Tradewinds were in need of a good clean(carpets were dirty and full of cigaret ends and bits of paper, lifts were dirty). The staff on reception were OK if a little down at heel but helpful if needed.
The food in the restaurant was adequate.
http://himalyanacoustics.com/

Ian,

I understand what you are saying. However we purchased our home 15yrs ago, when there was no flight path over it, the flight path was put here 2 years ago. I live 15Km from the Perth Airport and should not hear any aircraft noise, they have been flying approx 1000m most nights waking the entire family, the children are going to school constantly tired. There are no noise monitors in the area at all, and communicating with bureaucracy falls only on deaf ears. I have ask for monitors. I take a sleeping tablet occassionally to get a good night sleep, however am still woken brief by the aircraft. I would like to hear one of the quieter newer models of aircraft you are talking about. A lot of these night flights are going to Asia, no new aircraft ...... not now and not in 10years time. By the way, WITH AN ELECTION LOOMING, I have observed a massive reduction in aircraft to the East. For the past week we (in the west corridor) have had them every night. I live in a 17% state housing area with a high population of overseas university students. Where do you think the votes are? In the Eastern suburbs! There has been NO effort since changing the flight paths 2 years ago, to disperse aircraft at night throughtout the metropolitan area. We would like a break, these aircraft turn a sharp right over Waterford to fly up through Manning. DO THEY CARE? About the community! The state housing tenance! The school children! The Curtin University Students! DO YOU CARE? Good for those people whom choose to live near Perth Airport...We did not, we purchased away from the Airport and away from any flight path, 15KMs

Hi,

I bought my home in Queens Park 3 years ago (2007) & didn't notice any planes during each visit to the home opens; but that may have just been sneaky planning by the agent. As soon as we moved in we soon found out about the planes. The very first night enjoying a drink with family out the back! I don't think they have increased or decreased at all during that time, we notice them less in winter as we're outside less; but even inside I can't hear on the phone (mobile & landline) & we have to pause movies; but you can't pause TV!

When outside I can't even have a conversation with someone sitting 2 metres away from me - HOW SAD IS THAT! We have to pause the conversation & wait for the plane to pass or yell at each other. The planes pass over sometimes only a few minutes apart so you can see how annoying that would be. I know it may not seem like a huge problem; but it does mean that I would never re-buy in Queens Park & thus resulting in the value of home dropping due to the problem & that is totally unfair on the home owners.

I don't think the government should be paying for insulation into homes as that still doesn't fix the sound when outside your home, but I do agree something has to change. I don't know enough about the scheme, but if that is the ONLY solution then i guess it should be looked into seriously. And those opposing the idea might like to stay at my house for a few days & sit outside & watch all the planes come in directly over my house & see if they can enjoy a conversation outside or watch TV. I'm a heavy sleeper so I cannot comment about the interuptions during the night.

I'm actually selling my property now but I still feel strongly that this is an issue & I feel for those who have had to put up with the problem in Queens Park for longer than I have. I'm not moving far; so I suspect i'll still experience the issue in the new home too - but hopefully less.